These are challenging times for environmental justice — at least at the federal level. Earlier this year, Mustafa Ali, who led environmental justice work at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, resigned rather than preside over the dismantling of his program.

To understand the prospects for environmental justice work in Trump’s America, we gathered (by phone) an impressive cadre of leaders from across the country:

Charles Ellison, contributing politics editor for and founding principal of B|E Strategy, moderated the conversation.

Listen below to a two-part excerpt from the call. For more on what was said, click here